Ep. 18 – WITA’s Friday Exchange: Knives Out for Tariffs – Dissecting the Supreme Court Debate on IEEPA

Ep. 18 – WITA’s Friday Exchange: Knives Out for Tariffs – Dissecting the Supreme Court Debate on IEEPA

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Former Trade Negotiators Discuss This Week’s Tariff and Trade Developments.

No one understands the dynamics with key U.S. trading partners better than the people who led these kinds of difficult trade negotiations for the United States. Panelists will update our viewers on the trade policy announcements, what remains undone; and what are expected next steps in these trade negotiations.

On this week’s episode of WITA’s Friday Exchange, trade law and legal experts dove into the cutting issues raised at this week’s IEEPA hearing. Are tariffs the appropriate tool to deal with an economic emergency? If not tariffs, what powers does IEEPA give the president? And what do butter knives and steak knives have to do with this case? Tune into this week’s episode to find out.

Featured Speakers

Kathleen Claussen

Professor of Law

Georgetown University Law Center

A leader in international economic law and procedure, Professor Kathleen Claussen has served as arbitrator, counsel, expert, public servant, and teacher. Her expertise covers several topics of international law, especially economic security, trade, investment, international business and labor; dispute settlement and international dispute bodies; and, administrative law issues surrounding U.S. foreign relations and transnational agreements. Professor Claussen has testified before the U.S. Congress, UK House of Lords, and European Parliament on topics related to U.S. tariff laws and executive power, on which she is a leading authority. In summer 2026, she is a visiting fellow at Campion Hall at the University of Oxford, and for the 2026-2027 academic year, she has been selected to be a Crane Fellow in Law and Public Policy at Princeton University, where she will continue her work as principal investigator of the Economic Agreements Research Network. Professor Claussen’s academic work has appeared in the Yale Law Journal, the Stanford Law Review, the Columbia Law Review, the University of Chicago Law Review, and the Virginia Law Review, among others, as well as in leading international law journals. One of her articles on international investment disputes, The International Claims Trade, was awarded the Smit-Lowenfeld Prize in International Arbitration. She also blogs at Lawfare, Just Security (where she is a member of the Editorial Board), and the International Economic Law & Policy Blog, and is regularly featured on or consulted as an expert for various media outlets such as the Wall Street Journal, Marketplace, Bloomberg, and the Financial Times.

Kathleen Claussen

Professor of Law

Georgetown University Law Center

A leader in international economic law and procedure, Professor Kathleen Claussen has served as arbitrator, counsel, expert, public servant, and teacher. Her expertise covers several topics of international law, especially economic security, trade, investment, international business and labor; dispute settlement and international dispute bodies; and, administrative law issues surrounding U.S. foreign relations and transnational agreements. Professor Claussen has testified before the U.S. Congress, UK House of Lords, and European Parliament on topics related to U.S. tariff laws and executive power, on which she is a leading authority. In summer 2026, she is a visiting fellow at Campion Hall at the University of Oxford, and for the 2026-2027 academic year, she has been selected to be a Crane Fellow in Law and Public Policy at Princeton University, where she will continue her work as principal investigator of the Economic Agreements Research Network. Professor Claussen’s academic work has appeared in the Yale Law Journal, the Stanford Law Review, the Columbia Law Review, the University of Chicago Law Review, and the Virginia Law Review, among others, as well as in leading international law journals. One of her articles on international investment disputes, The International Claims Trade, was awarded the Smit-Lowenfeld Prize in International Arbitration. She also blogs at Lawfare, Just Security (where she is a member of the Editorial Board), and the International Economic Law & Policy Blog, and is regularly featured on or consulted as an expert for various media outlets such as the Wall Street Journal, Marketplace, Bloomberg, and the Financial Times.

Marty Lederman

Professor from Practice

Georgetown University Law Center

Professor Lederman was Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel from 2009 to 2010, and an Attorney Advisor in OLC from 1994-2002. From 1988 to 2004, he was an attorney at Bredhoff & Kaiser, where his practice consisted principally of federal litigation, including appeals, on behalf of labor unions, employees and pension funds. In 2008, with David Barron, he published a two-part article in the Harvard Law Review examining Congress’s authority to regulate the Commander in Chief’s conduct of war.

Prior to rejoining the Department of Justice, he was a regular contributor to several blogs and web sites, including Balkinization, SCOTUSblog, Opinio Juris, and Slate, writing principally on issues relating to separation of powers, war powers, torture, detention, interrogation, international law, treaties, executive branch lawyering, statutory interpretation and the First Amendment. He served as law clerk to Chief Judge Jack B. Weinstein on the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York, and to Judge Frank M. Coffin on the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit.

Marty Lederman

Professor from Practice

Georgetown University Law Center

Professor Lederman was Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel from 2009 to 2010, and an Attorney Advisor in OLC from 1994-2002. From 1988 to 2004, he was an attorney at Bredhoff & Kaiser, where his practice consisted principally of federal litigation, including appeals, on behalf of labor unions, employees and pension funds. In 2008, with David Barron, he published a two-part article in the Harvard Law Review examining Congress’s authority to regulate the Commander in Chief’s conduct of war.

Prior to rejoining the Department of Justice, he was a regular contributor to several blogs and web sites, including Balkinization, SCOTUSblog, Opinio Juris, and Slate, writing principally on issues relating to separation of powers, war powers, torture, detention, interrogation, international law, treaties, executive branch lawyering, statutory interpretation and the First Amendment. He served as law clerk to Chief Judge Jack B. Weinstein on the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York, and to Judge Frank M. Coffin on the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit.

Michael Smart

Moderator

Managing Director

Rock Creek Global Advisors; former Director for International Trade and Investment, National Security Council, The White House

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November 7, 2025

Knives Out for Tariffs – Dissecting the Supreme Court Debate on IEEPA

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